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• Derrick Thompson • Season 1 • Episode 7

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Episode 7 of Pain Points is PACKED with hot takes and bold debates! 🔥

We dive into:
🏈 NFL Talk: Biggest surprise team this season, the real MVP race, and whether Tua Tagovailoa is officially done.
🩹 The latest on Jayden Daniels’ injuries and what it means moving forward.
🦁 A breakdown of the Detroit Lions’ huge win against the Bucs.
🏀 NBA Season Preview: Can the OKC Thunder really go back-to-back? Which era of the NBA was the best?
🏆 Plus, inside our Fantasy Football League—and who’s talking the most trash this week!

Christopher (C-PAIN) Davis, Bryanna Sompayrac & Derrick Thompson bring an entertaining show where sports passion meets real perspective. Don’t miss this one!

Chapters:
0:00 - Is Tua Done in Miami?
7:31 - NFL Biggest Surprise Team
16:50 - Jayden Daniels Injuries
26:45 - NBA Preview | Championship Debate
37:00 - Biggest NBA Flop
45:00 - MVP Jones or Mahomes?
52:00 - Fantasy Football Checkin

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Tua’s Future In Miami

SPEAKER_04

Okay, and I've opinion points episode seven and today. We're gonna talk about two of them. Is his time done in Miami? We're gonna look at some NBA previews and a season shocker of the year. So, guys, let's start with two of them. Is his time done this year already?

SPEAKER_03

Honestly, you see in that Miami situation, every single press conference is it's not it's a hard watch, y'all. Um, it's done. You know, I feel like the time that they score 70 on the Broncos has long been forgotten. Um yeah, it's just it's it's real crazy. I don't know what's going on with the personnel. Well, I do know it's the offensive line or just a bunch of issues. Tua's turnover issues has just been it's been real bad this year. So I do think his time is over in Miami, but I don't know how you cut him because there is a $90 million cap hit, which woof, like that's uh for now I understand how teams are like, yes, we gotta pay our guy because you want to have a solid quarterback, but for a quarterback with certain injury issues and injury concerns, as much as Tua over the past few years, paying him all that money didn't make sense. The market did not dictate that much money. So I don't know how Miami gets themselves out of that situation, but they absolutely have to. It's been bad, y'all. And then you see him calling out players, calling out everybody, like, oh, and then once you hear the wife and kids speech, it's like, oh man, all right. If I can throw five touchdown, five picks, I can go home to the field. Hey, Brian, that is the quarterback of the team. Don't say, Oh, I can throw five picks and then actually do that. Well, let's let's not let's not do that. So, yeah, two uh, yeah, it was it was bad. It's it's it's real bad in Miami.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's bad, but a lot of blame to go around. I think he um I think they've already named him the starter for this week. Uh, I'd like him to continue to play because I've got him as my backup backup for fantasy. So I need him to kind of stay where he is just in case, you know, in an emergency situation. If I need a few points, I'd like him to remain. Uh Dolphins aren't going anywhere anyhow, so it really doesn't matter. So if I'm running the Dolphins, I play him anyway. I mean, with the money that he's making, I'd, you know, play it out. They've got diehard fans that are used to the misery anyway in Miami. So I wouldn't do anything rash. Uh, I let it play itself out, draft a quarterback, and you know, hope that you hit hit there. Uh, again, like you said, you don't have to pay every single quarterback. Like we said last episode, uh, there's only what three quarterbacks that are worth top dollar. Um, outside of that, just stack the rest of your roster and bring in somebody that's solid. And we're we're seeing that. We're seeing that in Indiana. We're seeing that, you know, in uh, you know, a lot of other other places here. We're seeing that in Seattle. Uh and so, you know, teams that are paying huge money to quarterbacks, that's just not gonna be gonna be sustainable. So stack the rest of the roster, roster, and get somebody who can uh can play a little bit and go from there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I mean, I'm just concerned about all his concussions. I'm like, how many more can you take?

SPEAKER_03

I I don't even know. Because after that, like last one with the it was the Thursday night one with the fingers, I was like, okay, this is the time where somebody gotta be like, hey bro, this is not this is not safe anymore. This is not good. Like that was one of the and again, that was also the season with the Damar Hamlin injury as well. So like both of those that season, I was like, okay, like we we gotta start having conversations about setting people down and telling them, hey bro, ball isn't everything. So at this time, that would have been the good moment to say, like, hey, let's go up to the wife and kids, you know. That and now everybody's like concerned about like, oh, how is it how is the injury still affecting him? Is he still okay? And it was like, if you just left on that point, would have we would have just remembered you putting stuff beyond the Broncos. Now we're remembering you for every single press conference that you do, which I've never seen people do this many press conferences in y'all, y'all remember that, or no, not at all, not at all.

SPEAKER_01

Um, he was more quiet, more reserved, different. I mean, and it's it's seems like a lot changed since that last concussion, actually. Not to say that there's a relation, but since that last concussion, and when he was so adamant about not wearing the guardian cap, it's been like a different vibe from him ever since. Um, easy, even physically, even just his appearance. You know, he's he's you know slimmed down, he's more in shape, has a different cut, just has more of an edge to him, and he's just been vocal, just has a different, a total, totally different vibe now. Uh and yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I was like attributed to it, but it's it's different, but uh yeah, yeah, man. Uh your services might no longer be needed for that team, bro. So sorry to see you know, uh wife kids might be calling shortly, or you know, somebody's gonna need a backup because uh, you know, or it's gonna be a situation where all of a sudden you're gonna be a backup and then you're gonna be a backup for Kevin O'Connell, you're gonna get in for the Vikings, and then all of a sudden you're gonna turn good again because that's how it happens, apparently. And lately you can't hit on a regul on the regular quarterback, but your backups, Kevin O'Connell, every single time. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

What do you guys think? Like, would be a bold trade to get a different quarterback in there? Like, what quarterback could you see in a bold trade in Miami?

SPEAKER_03

I would say, well, you're gonna not like this, but uh if they could trade some pieces for Kyler to get him on that's I'm thinking Chris, we're like this. Yeah, Super Bowl vibes, Super Bowl with that division. Okay, get him that real quick. But Jones and Kyler Murray with them on H8. I think that's a nice move. It gets him out of Arizona. Kyler's already been on his like more chill, he's always been this more like chill laid back quarterback vibe. So Miami will be a perfect city for him. So I would say Kyler to Miami would make that team very interesting.

SPEAKER_04

Um, yeah, I would say that's why that's what I was literally thinking. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. I that that would be interesting. That would be a good fit for Kyler. Uh, wouldn't be much from an expectation standpoint here for sure. So no, no great way to go but up. And man, if he could get you know uh you know Tyreek back to be anywhere close to what he was, man, that would be uh that that would definitely be definitely be exciting. But um, but if I'm the Dolphins, I don't do that. Um again, I would love to see it, but if I'm running the Dolphins, I would stay clear of paying any money for any, you know, high-end QB. I would try to just stack that roster, gut it out, start from scratch, and just really try to build a strong defense, strong line, and just bring in, you know, a QB that's you know, um looking for a second chance.

SPEAKER_04

So yeah, I agree. That was more of like a bold one, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I like it. No,

NFL's Biggest Surprise Team

SPEAKER_01

great, great question.

SPEAKER_04

All right, moving on. What is your guys' season shockers of the year?

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so first, the biggest shock in general is just the amount of parody because from week to week you don't know who's gonna win. Like, that is overall, that's been the craziest part of the season because the Panthers beating Dallas, the Browns beating me and the Packers, the Giants being the Eagles, just like we've seen upsets, we've had game of the year contenders week after week after week. I mean, Broncos, Giants, 33 points in the fourth quarter. Because I was watching that game on red zone, and I was like, okay, there is like no way that the Broncos are gonna win. And I am just seeing like crazy play after crazy play. The Giants scored, they missed the extra point. I was like, okay, there's no way they're gonna get the field goal, right? They get the field goal, and I was like, wait, they scored if somebody on Twitter post like this was like the Indiana Pacers like whole fight finals run last year, like instead of that same vibe, and it's just ah, that was that was really crazy. So I love the parody. I love the fact that like there are teams that are starting that we feel are separating themselves, but it still feels like any given Sunday, and that's something I've enjoyed most of the season. And yeah, now again, like some teams are starting to round back into form. Like again, Kansas City. Y'all, I'm gonna be real, about that AFC. Uh all the teams ahead of them do not have playoff experience andor quarterbacks I trust. So uh they might be going back for the fifth. What is it? The fourth or fifth time in a row. What is it? The fourth year in a row? I think it's fourth.

SPEAKER_01

Uh it would be fourth in a row. Yeah, because if they weren't three peat. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so this is gonna be their fourth super bowl in a row because they're they're rounding into shape. It's the Ravens' fault, you know. That that game versus the Ravens, where you know, uh Ravens defense gave it up. Yeah, it's it's the Ravens' fault for the Chiefs round to get the fourth. Yes, and doesn't mean I'll switch it up on Lamar. I'm blaming that defense because yeah, the Chiefs Chiefs offense did not look like that all of a sudden they play the Ravens defense. They're like, oh wait, yeah, who they are, and then they get Rasheed Rice back. So Harry is great in the NFC, but the AFC, yeah. We we know what time it is, y'all.

SPEAKER_00

We we know somebody picked the Chiefs. Anybody pick the Chiefs?

SPEAKER_03

Somebody did on the show. Somebody's thinking lapping right now.

SPEAKER_01

I'm glad you I'm like you because I think somebody did pick the Chiefs early on, and then then stood 10 toes down after that 0-2 start, didn't waver one bit.

SPEAKER_03

I'm glad you did because yeah, yeah, you were correct. Uh I'll give you that one, man. I will definitely give you that one. That was uh like again, the offense was nine days. You can admit, like it was a little shaky, but then you know, chargers are starting to charger, the Broncos look beatable, the Raiders. I mean, my shit, like 67 yards passing, yeah, in a in a professional football game. Like, I'm glad the teams that like suck generally still are like very bad, except us, but I'll get to the Panthers later. I'll get to the Panthers, yeah. So I go too much too too soon.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well, uh, yeah, as far as surprises, I say my biggest surprise looking at where we are right now is probably the Cardinals beating the Panthers. That's probably the biggest surprise right now because you know, we look at where the where the Panthers are right now, being four and three, and where the Cardinals are, you know, if we look back, we go, man, that's a shock. When we look back at the end of this season when the Panthers are in the playoffs, when you know, we'll be like, Man, wow, how the how the hell? But anyway, I don't know. I don't know why I got on that bridge. That wasn't that wasn't a shot, bro. Um but uh man, one thing I want to go to though, kind of on this, you're talking about the parody and you mentioned the the Giants, man, Jackson Dark. Oh man, how many endorsements is he gonna have? Um being in New York, just with the swag that he has, yeah. Man, he's gonna be able to get any endorsement he wants going into next season.

SPEAKER_04

Him and Scott Obu are like two frat guys just enjoying life. I love it.

SPEAKER_03

They're having so much fun, and they're like the thing is, and because unfortunately, it's like the team that they play for, it's like they're like they're going to be in games the rest of the season because of Jackson Dart. And what is concerning is they were trying to do the Mahomes thing with him. But if y'all did not feel that Russell Wilson was that guy, Russell Wilson contributed to all three of those losses. Y'all could probably be at 500 right now had he not started, or like slightly above 500 had he not been the starter. You just roll with Jackson Dart. But that's why I'm like kind of confused with the whole decision because they're sitting at two and five, including the Eagles in a revenge game, and the Eagles offense probably looks like they've tried to round back to form. So it's like, how's it gonna how's the rest of the season gonna go? Because they still have a rough schedule. So it's like I feel like they're gonna be like the scrappy, like seven, eight-win team, like throughout the rest of the season, but it's like what sucks is that it could have been more had they just been like, okay, darts are guy. Because I feel like and the big question I now have is like, should should we keep saying that like, oh, we gotta start? Like, I think we just have to realize Mahomes is an anomaly. There's no quarterback like Alex Smith who's going to like perfectly set everything the table up for Mahomes. There's no quarterback like Alex Smith because Alex Smith is the ultimate, like, check down, I'm gonna make the right play quarterback. That's literally who he wants his entire career. There is like no other quarterback in the in NFL history who would have set the table as well as he did for Mahomes. So at the end of the day, y'all gotta start your rookies, like you gotta get him experience. I think the Jackson Barry experience shows us that because it's like, dang, now the Giants don't have the opportunity to like see what the rest of their season could be. Because if y'all knew that y'all had that in the back, every Giants would be like, oh, why is Russ starting? Even after the Cowboys game, they would have been like, hey bro, he just he's doing all this stuff. He's giving he's giving us great throws, amazing, amazing on the run, and then he's also just sometimes just making the right play. So, like, you have all of that, and you might have punted the season because you're like, okay, well, we want to wait, we want to try the Mahomes thing. I think more people need to realize the Mahomes thing is rare, it's not that's not happening all the time, and you gotta just gotta start your rookies because they might have had a lost season, and you know, next year we'll see, but like I don't know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well what about the uh so you may have been spot on on this. What about the commanders and the cowboys? Because I think it was about three, four episodes ago. You said the commanders would not make the playoffs. Yes, that sounded crazy, and it was like, man, and you said the cowboys would make the playoffs. That's been up and down depending on the week. Some weeks that looks like that was no way. Some weeks, uh, with the offense, and now the fact that CD's back, uh, you can kind of see it. So let's start with the commanders and then go to the cowboys.

SPEAKER_03

I think with the commanders and cowboys, the commanders especially, like, they're just injured and they have nobody on offense right now. And they're relying on the rookie Crossby Merritt, who like has had fumbling issues and isn't like a big play guy, so they need to have a committee. And then you just Jaden Daniels, as good as he has been, because he hasn't had his weapons, they're not they're not performing their best on the defense that's taken a massive step back. It is and every their concerns were correct because they have a very old defense, like they don't have like a bunch of like young, fresh talent. You see Marshall Attimore getting cooked, Bobby Wagner, legendary as he is. Hey, bro, you you gotta hang it up because it's it's bad out here. Like, it's just the defense is underperforming, and then you don't have anybody on office to help equalize that, and plus Jaden Dangles is getting hurt more and more. And another thing with Jaden Daniels, I'ma say this because and with his mom post and the whole like we're not wishing RG3 thing on him, we're not wishing that, but if you see him run, he has to slide more. Like, I've I watch Commander's games, and I'm sometimes like, bro, you get out of bounds quick, but there are other times where you just don't slide at all. Yeah, it's like you gotta have a good separation of that because the injuries are starting to stack up so so much this season because he first it was the it was his leg injury, now it's a hamstring, so it's like okay, dude, like what's what's going on?

SPEAKER_01

Like, we gotta figure out Did he have injury issues in college?

SPEAKER_03

He didn't have he didn't have injury issues in college. That's the thing. He was fine all five years. He just transferred to LSU and then he balled out. But like the thing is right now in this current season, it's like the injury issues we're starting to see more because it's like he's having to carry more of a load on the offense. And again, Terry McLaurin sitting out the whole the whole season for the new

Jayden Daniels Injuries

SPEAKER_03

contract, not getting chemistry, him getting hurt. That wasn't great.

SPEAKER_01

That was so predictable.

SPEAKER_03

That was so predictable with Tyrion McLaurin and Debo. I do think that like the injuries have just been uh it's a lot because Debo was having a great season, gets hurt, and then all of a sudden it's just it's over. Like we don't it's not well, I'm not gonna say their season's over, but there is a much more difficult schedule. I don't know how well they're going to be the rest of the year. And Dallas, if their defense just plays like that, because Dallas can score 40. Like, this is Ryan Schautenheimer. I am so sorry for doubting you and saying that you would you're a terrible head coaching hire. Because you and the new run game coordinator, Clayton Adams, man, and then you got a kicker who can kick, he can hit field goals from 70 yards. Oh god, like that is a crazy weapon to have come playoff time. So if they just figure out this defense, man, I really think Dallas Dallas could be something because Dak is having a great year. George Pickens is every single week, it's like two or three highlight catches per game, and it's it's beautiful to watch. And I I'm glad that he's out of Pittsburgh because I again I feel like Mike Tomlin, like the one thing I will say about Mike Tomlin and his tenure as like the Steelers head coach, he's let the Divas be Divas. I feel like in Dallas, you're not hearing too many stories about George Pickens with that. It's really just seems he's about ball this year, so I do appreciate that. But yeah, he's he's killing it. And CD coming back. Oh, I played C D in fantasy this week. Ah, it wasn't good. Now, once he once he got that like 70 yard with the two DVs rated into each other, I checked my phone. I was like, somebody has CD. I checked, I checked the guy who won fantasy league up in. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, this is a rough week. So CD routing back to form. I mean, Dak's just looking like an MvP candidate. Their defense, again, if they just hold teams to 20 points, Dallas is going to score this year. So you don't gotta be the best. I'm not asking you to be the Broncos, I'm not asking you to be the best defense in the league. Don't you don't have to be the Chiefs defense. You just have to hold teams to 20. Dallas' offense is gonna handle the rest, and y'all should be a wild card team. And again, because the NFC and because the NFC, it's like, ah, like the NFC looks really, really tough this year. Because I don't know who I know you're cute, you still say the Rams, and they had a great performance against the Jags. So we'll see with that. But I still think Philadelphia has a chance with Dallas. If they get in, they can make some noise, which is one of the first times that we can see you've said that in like a good couple years.

SPEAKER_01

But if but I will say though, I picked the Rams. I will happily be wrong if it's the Lions. Because the Lions are it's not even the Lions are the most exciting team to watch in in football. Now you could argue now um that the Chiefs, because now you know they're getting all their people, but nah, the Lions won because you know they put up points or whatever, but then the swagger that they play with, the they they rep Detroit so well with just the way the the way that they play. I was talking to my mom earlier about it because my mom's from Detroit, and the whole I got a whole side in Detroit, and I was just like, man, it's just so wild how they rap from their whole you know attitude on the the field and whatnot. So yeah, like if I could go to any stadium and see any team play right now, it would be to go to Detroit and see the line.

SPEAKER_04

I agree, yeah, yeah. Not just because I'm a Lions fan, but I genuinely like I'm like every team they play against, it's like a fun game. Like Gibbs, he just had a 78-yard running rushing touchdown. Like and he pushed through like everyone, like he's an insane player, and I I'm not just saying this because I'm a fan, but I truly, truly believe that like this is the year, like they're doing so good. They just don't have to carry on Arnold or like a few other players, you know. But I mean, it's better than last year, right? With all their injuries.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, I've got a question with y'all injuries. Why is it that y'all turn into one of the best defenses in the league when your entire DV rooms out? Like, interception, interception.

SPEAKER_04

I was like, wait, what is happening? I know it was crazy. No, because our defensive coordinator is just that good. Like, we upgraded, we totally upgraded, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Big time. I I wasn't that big. I thought Aaron Glenn was getting I don't know, I wasn't up on the Aaron Glenn hype, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, I mean, first off, him stop him getting seven sacks on the bar made me be like, hold on, let me watch this dude. And then what they just did to Baker, hey man, yeah, we gotta have some conversation. Like, you can have the FDP, it was it was looking good for it, too.

SPEAKER_04

Like, I don't know. I know, right?

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I know.

SPEAKER_04

I felt bad. I'm like, dang, the Buccaneers are a legit team. I was a little worried, you know, like going into the game, but I was like, nah, the lions got it. Sure enough, they got it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, they just come in with it, Arnold or Brian Branch, or Kirby Joseph. Like, what is good, like the Lions are ridiculous. And I think again, shout out to Jameer Gibbs, you know, he's having his breakout year. I'm not gonna lie, David Montgomery. Uh I got you on T Fantasy Teams. Hey, bro, it's Jameer's team now. Like, you're you're gonna be the goal line guy, and it's it's great, you know. Yeah, man, it's a little it's a little quiet right now.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, there's also defense on Gibbs. Right on through.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Maybe a topic for next week is uh, do they pay Gibbs?

SPEAKER_03

They should. I mean, I don't know. But my thing is like it's you're paying a running back, though. It's not like you're paying a quarterback. You feel me? So it's like true now again, the other thing is now the other thing is the Eagles did extend Saquon, and uh, we're seeing how that is, and now, but it's like how much are you gonna pay him knowing that you still have David Montgomery in the backfield where you can split carries? It's just that Jameer has been so good this year where you have to consider like, okay, like is he gonna be like our top back? Because like the Bijan Tyler Algier situation, like that's another thing that you have to look at as well. Because like Bijan makes that whole thing work, but then you see Tyler Algier come in and just make like a team play for the Falcons as well. So it's like I don't know, like that's like the lighter version of this because Detroit obviously is like been to NFC Championships perform well in the playoffs. But I do think that yeah, you're gonna have to you're going to have to pay him, but it's like how high do you pay him knowing that you've had David Montgomery over the years? Because you were talking about that in the negotiations, but yeah, that's the only thing I feel like the Lions would have on him, but he's still going to get paid. He's gonna be like, he should be at least the top three highest paid, but I should say that he should be the highest paid because of how he's still scared.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, he should definitely be be up there. I if they're going to pay it back, it would be him. So I wouldn't be surprised. But if I had to say one way or another, my hunch is that they don't pay him. Um, just looking at their model and how they're constructing the team, they probably already that GM is so amazing. He's probably already knows who he's looking to pick, right? So to kind of come in next. And you know, I thought they were crazy when they let the two backs that they had go before when it was time for them to get paid. Swift and they had another guy, Swift and Jamal Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what are you doing? And then they got better and cheaper with Gibbs and Montgomery.

SPEAKER_04

So yeah, they're smart.

SPEAKER_01

They might do it again, you know.

SPEAKER_04

I think that would be a mistake to get rid of Gibbs.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, get rid of Gibbs is crazy. Montgomery, probably. But Gibbs, I'm like, Gibbs looks like yeah, Gibbs looks like he can be top three of the league. Like, it looks like he can. Oh, easily easily, yeah. I've I've never I've only seen that from Tyree Kell. Like, that's I've never seen a running back do that because again, like I've listened to CJ 2K, but I love watching speed and watching him and Cook are my two favorite running backs to watch right now this year.

SPEAKER_01

They it looks like every time when they get halfway through the hole, it looks like they're taking it to the house. Yeah, it's just crazy.

SPEAKER_04

Well, now it's bye week, so who are we gonna watch this week?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, Armageddon turned me in fantasy.

SPEAKER_01

We got Panthers, bro.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, should I watch the Cardinals?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, versus the Bills. I would say that's a little that's a little scary.

SPEAKER_04

Well, it's annoying because of the Cardinals. Like every time they look like they're about to win going into the fourth quarter. Nope. They're not they're like they broke the record like in the league. Like they have like the third straight, like losing in the fourth quarter, leading by seven points. Like at least we got a record.

SPEAKER_03

Not a record y'all want, but it's a record. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04

Exactly. It just takes time. We still need to rebuild, it's fine. Okay, all right. So now let's switch gears and talk about the NBA guys. What do you

NBA Preview | Championship Debate

SPEAKER_04

like? Who do you think's gonna win it all this year? Because it's very different this year.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. As a Lakers fan, this might sound sacrilegiously crazy because you know I want LeBron to finally retire on top, get his fifth ring, go off into the sunset, right? I know y'all are expecting that. Unfortunately, I will be choosing the R Tribe of the Lakers of the past few years, the Denver Nuggets to win it all. Now, let me give the reason. They have Jonas Valanciutas and they got Cameron Johnson. Now, we know what Cameron Johnson can do. I know as a man. I know what Jonas Valentas did. As a person who's watched Jonas Valentus play for a majority of his career, I've always wanted him on the Lakers to basically, when we had AD, basically to spell out AD so that AD didn't have to play the five. Now that they finally have a capable center to give Jokic some time on the bench, I am very concerned about how good indeed this team is. They still have the best player in the world, they still have Jamal Murray. Cameron Johnson is basically Michael Porter Jr., but he can play and he can shoot probably just as well. So yeah, I am very concerned about that Nuggets team. They're deep, they're ready, and again, they took OKC 7, and they did not have as quality of a roster as OKC. So I definitely think that Denver is my team to win it all. Um I would not be shocked. I I'm picking Denver, and yeah, I'm I'm sticking with it because I as much of a Lakers fan as I am, I don't think we have the depth. I think that we are very top heavy. Unless DeAndre Eaton miraculously becomes who we was supposed to be as a number one pick, re-shaking her head. Yeah, she knows. She knows.

SPEAKER_04

I know, I know what he's about. I've seen it.

SPEAKER_03

That's not giving me hope at all. Knowing that we need a center of breeze over here shaking her head about it.

SPEAKER_04

You never know, maybe he'll change. You don't know.

SPEAKER_03

You never know. I don't know. I know. But yeah, I'm definitely picking the Denver Nuggets to win it all. Because again, the pieces that they added and the fact that they took OKC without those pieces. And again, I think that Jokic is gonna be out for well, whatever revenge that Jokic can have, because you know, he just he just likes to drop triple doubles and look and shoot ridiculous shots and then just like go about his business just so he can go see his horses. So I I love how this is like a side job to him, and he terrorizes like my team every single year. Like that's great. But Jokic, Jokic and the Nuggets, I have them wing it off.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they've they've got uh they made some great moves. Uh like the the Nuggets a lot for sure. Um, you know, they took uh the uh Thunder to seven last year, but again, J Dub, that wrist injury, I mean he's still not still not back. So we see just how serious that that injury injury was. I think if if if he can get back to a hundred percent, I I still say OKC repeats. They remind me a lot of the Bulls, uh, you know, MBAs back on NBC. So it's time for the next real dynasty, the next homegrown uh dynasty built through the draft and not teaming up. So uh, you know, we're we're we're going back to the 90s, back to the 90s now. Everything is good, and yeah, it's time for OKC to, you know, do their thing and repeat.

SPEAKER_03

Gotcha. A lot of shots there at a certain person and team building, but we're not gonna discuss it. We're not we just go we're gonna nod our heads because as a Lakers fan, you know, it sucks when it's your team. I'm gonna be honest, but the whole team builder thing definitely sucks when it's your team because we should because nothing Russell Westbrook because we got scared of the nets literally sent us back so bad. Oh man, so yeah, yeah. I agree. I like on the team building point as a Lakers fan, you know, it was good when we got AD, and then once a bunch of moves started happening, I was like, okay, let's stop this team building. Yeah, let's stop there. Let's stop there. You gotta go, bro. Let's let's let's move to Luke era because that was that was a ridiculous move, bro.

SPEAKER_01

It'll be interesting to see. Uh, you know, what what happens there with uh LeBron, you know, when when he shows back up, you know, will they have a hole to climb? Will can Luca carry without him? It's it's gonna be very interesting to see.

SPEAKER_03

Listen, I am I've been a fan of him my my entire life. I'm gonna be honest. I need him trading because I want my team to win. If one thing I will know about this show, I am a team first player second guy when it comes to my favorite teams. Unfortunately, hey bro, he was my favorite player of all time. Hey, bro, this it's gotta end. You Luke can do the exact same thing that you do, and he's younger, bro. We gotta, we gotta do something here.

SPEAKER_01

Ain't nobody trading for LeBron.

SPEAKER_03

Somebody's crazy enough to do it.

SPEAKER_01

Oh no, bro. They're gonna let that contract expire. They're playing they're they're playing the semi-long game. So building around Luca, gonna let that contract expire. They're gonna look to bring in another free agent, you know, possibly, you know, Greek Freak, Giannis, something like that. They're looking, they're looking, they are definitely trying to play the long game. They've got that multiple, multiple time billionaire who's the you know, the the owner right now. Yeah, they they they're gonna do this thing the right way. They're gonna they're gonna LA dodger it out there and look to build that thing.

SPEAKER_03

Sorry, question about Giannis potentially becoming a Laker. If he actually becomes a Laker, I I will understand the Mitreal and hate the Lakers fans deserve. Because I I think that there's a non-zero chance that we get him. But I'm very if we somehow get Giannis and he has a Kareem Abdul Jabbar arc with our team, oh my goodness, I'm going to be overjoyed. Because again, Giannis's 50 performance literally is like made me want to be a drillist. Because I literally saw it. I was like, dang, like I want to be like sitting here reporting on this because this is like such a special moment for him. So I'd follow his story off throughout his career, right? So if he comes to my favorite team, oh my goodness, like hey, hey, and then LeBron retires because again, Goddess has been like one of my favorite players in the league. So listen, I've been consistent, could a consistent goddess fan. I've never switched up about that. So if by some miracle, Luke and Giannis bring back showtime somehow, some way, which is oh yeah. I I I will be prepared for the hate and the vitriol is just like the Lakers were bought by the league, all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they're doing smoking mirrors, Jedi My trick with that whole New York Nick thing. I'm like, nah, I don't see it.

SPEAKER_03

I yeah, Giannis, it's it's up, it's up. Yep, new dynasty again. OKC, it's over. Uh move over, Yannis and Luca for the decks.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, Lucas talking about what he could play for Giannis for years, so I'm just saying, hey, hey, hey, start the start the rivalry, have them going against each other, you know. Western conference founders have one team, you know, homegrown, built from the draft, another one, you know, differently. But you know, hey, it'll be a great, great clash, great, great battle.

SPEAKER_04

I don't think the Bucks would ever give up Giannis, though.

SPEAKER_01

No, they won't have to because he'll he'll leave as a free agent. He's leaving because he only has another year on his deal.

SPEAKER_03

Dark Rivers is his coach. Like, you know, Rivers is his coach, y'all.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, that's why that that's why I say the Lakers are playing the long game. They're not trading and not doing none of that. They're letting LeBron's contract expire, clearing the books, and I think they're gonna straight up just get him on a as a free agent.

SPEAKER_03

No, I mean my bad. I also have a question. We don't talk a lot about baseball on the show, but what show Hayo's Hani did, like we just gotta mention real quick. Um three home runs knocking it out of the park, six innings pitched, only two hitters, only two people who had a hit, and ten strikeouts. Like that's an you're an alien, bro. You're not real, you're not real, you're not from this planet, bro. How did Yeah, and one of those I've watched baseball games before, I know how this is supposed to work. That's not supposed to happen. That is not something that a human should be capable of doing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, 469 feet.

SPEAKER_03

One of those homes after finishing fittings, yeah. Like, show hey, hey, man, hey, that's that's so special, y'all. Like, we we gotta appreciate this while we have it because that's that feels like greatest baseball player of all time stuff, you know. I and again, I haven't watched enough baseball to decide like who are the greatest players of all time, but that I see stuff like that, and that just makes me go. So, Derek, as a baseball watcher, what did you think about that? Because I needed to know.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, yeah. I I saw a lot of that game. Uh, and yeah, I was just mesmerized by it. So thankful that um made it to LA to see them play last year. So that was so cool. I'm so happy that the um the Padres were out of town. Because if the Padres were in town, we would not have seen them because we were in San Diego and Diego loves them, and we would have we were right around the corner from the stadium, but they were out of town, so we drove up to LA because we really wanted to see a baseball game and got to see the Dodgers. And I'm so happy because it was uh it was great seeing Otani and seeing all of them, and that that team is just oh

Biggest NBA Flop

SPEAKER_01

my gosh, that team is so loaded, you know, and they just have a they just have a a vibe about them, even in that game we went to, it was like they were down, but like any situation they face, like they have the ultimate confidence that they're gonna come back and win. They it's a great, great team to watch.

SPEAKER_03

Shout out to the Dodgers, man. But shout out to Shelly. I just gotta mention that because oh yeah, anytime I just see something that's just like an anomaly of sports, we gotta mention because that was that's ridiculous, man. Shout out to the yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Well, going back to the NBA. One more question for you guys regarding like this NBA season. What team do you think is gonna be the biggest flop? With all these trades and everything, like which team do you think is like gonna do really bad?

SPEAKER_03

Or like biggest flop or disappointment? I'm honestly gonna say the Memphis Grizzlies. Um, I think that we've hyped them up year after year, and you know, they're like they're like this fresh young team, but every single time after that, like after the playoff game that they had versus us, it's just they've been injured every single year. I don't know what's going on with their medical staff. It feels like a 49er situation where it's like you have a team with all this potential, and then all of a sudden it's just injury after injury after injury. I feel like Jalen Wells is hurt, and some other players are hurt as well. So it's like you we always expect Memphis to take that next step. Um in the East, I would say now the Pistons have expectations, which is good because the East seems wide open, but I would also say the Pistons. I feel like last year was a great year for them, but Jane Nivey's hurt again, so that's why I'm like, you gotta have that secondary score outside of Kate because again Malik Beasley's whole situation, y'all weren't able to summon him, so you don't have that score outside of Cade. And because they're the Celtics being hurt, everyone's like, oh, it's the Pistons, the Magic, the Knicks, like they're gonna like make the leap. The Cavs are gonna make the leap. And it's like, I don't think that they will. So I would definitely say the Pistons and the Grizzlies are gonna be my disappointment in the season.

SPEAKER_01

Man, speaking of the Pistons, I hate that Beasley did not get signed. Like, as soon as he becomes a free agent to sign, the allegations come out, right? So then they go and sign somebody else, and then everything's dropped and he's left. I don't know how that like what in the world.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know what he can do to like talk to the NBA, reinstated something because it's like I'm like, if you get caught up in it, I get it, but if you're now acquitted of everything, right, and you knew you wanted to get signed to that team because of how well you played at jail with that team, you should be able to. I don't know what kind of rules and regulations they gotta figure out, but that was that was crazy.

SPEAKER_01

I love watching me. He had one of the best Sellies, too. Yeah, I love watching him. So I just wanted to mention that, but yeah, I think um the Hawks are a fraud. A lot of people have them. Number three, yeah. Uh I I don't see it. I don't see the stack roster that they supposedly have. I'm like, okay, name me one all-star outside of Trey Young. I just don't, I don't get it. Uh, so I think that's a whole lot of potential and hope that people are are seeing. And I know lately the last few years, Trey hasn't meshed well with you know other people that were all-stars. So I just don't see I don't see it with the Hawks. I don't buy into the Hawks hype. And um, I I'd say the the Spurs concern me. Um, they concern me more from a hate to go there, but an injury standpoint. Um I just there's a reason why we haven't seen anybody win besides, you know, pan out. And he's grown. I hear he grew two more inches, you know what I'm saying, in the offseason. Oh I'm like, it's so we start growing at a certain age. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

He is 21, so right that does track. Like, uh, I think dudes like we stop growing, we're like 24, 25. He was kind of like, you're seven foot five, that should we're seven three, that should be the end, like that should be like how tall you should be, because you already like different human beings, like that's not a that's that that could so again you can look at it one way and say, Oh man, well, wow, that's great.

SPEAKER_01

He was already amazing, and then you add two inches, yeah. But I just you know, being older and knowing and seeing generations of players and issues with big men, yeah, uh that concerns me actually.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, they're more like chrome, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So, you know, I I actually would be crazy. I don't even say it as a hot take or anything, but you know, just it'll be interesting to look back on what the verdict would be with this. But man, I if I'm the Spurs, I'd even look to maybe even trade them, you know what I mean? Because just imagine being people be like, what you can't as a generational player, I get it, but could you imagine the haul you could get for Wimby? You know, so I I consider it, man. I just have to be like Nico Collins, and you know how crazy that was to trade Luca and you know, see how it may have worked for both. Like they might have to hate me for a couple years until they see how it pans out.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, sexes would just be like in shambles. It would be crazy in shambles yet again. I couldn't be crazy.

SPEAKER_01

Oh it'd be crazy, but but again, okay, did Kevin Durant go number one?

SPEAKER_03

Win number two, win number two.

SPEAKER_01

Why'd he go number two?

SPEAKER_03

That was all right, because Greg Owen was number one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Greg Owen went number one, and it was a no-brainer, like there was one or two people maybe saying KD, and we all saw how great KD was, but it was like, yeah, as great as he is, no, oh you cannot pass on Oden, you know what I mean? And you look back, you know, so I don't know. I just I I have concerns, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, just kind of wise, we gotta listen to him.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I'll listen to you on that. I was also gonna talk about the fact that they have like three guards, you know, playing like the same, kind of playing the same way. Because like, how are you gonna have Stefan Cassidy, De'Aaron Fox, and the other rookie that they have, Dylan Harper, on the floor at the same time, who's gonna be playing defense? Because yeah, Wendy can play like just like be like, uh, don't shoot the layup, but teams are gonna have to gonna scheme away around that. Like, smart NBA teams are gonna know how to scheme away around that. So, like, you have a bunch of like young guard play with guys who aren't necessarily top five top flight defenders, and you're expecting them all to be on the floor at the same time. So that's why I was leaning more so on the Spurs. You're you're like, okay, you might get traded. I was like, oh, okay. That's understandable. But I'm also like, ah, they're relying on like a second-year player in a rookie to like basically contribute to the Spurs now becoming a lot of the team. So I agree that like his injury history is a concern, and you hope that like the you know Avengers level training that he did with like KG and then Kimulashulan and all them, you know, it's somehow starts to now Wemby's like you know, the Jedi mind of basketball, you know, the ultimate basketball player. But I I I don't know. Um, I'm not sold on them because again, literally the three guards, like they're very they're a very, very young team. And it's not like an OKC where they were a young team who like went through stuff, yet they added veteran pieces that could contribute

MVP Jones or Mahomes?

SPEAKER_03

on the defensive end, like a Crusoe. Like that's what made like Crusoe and Hartenstein did. Like that's what made OKC OKC. So I don't see that with the Spurs, so that's why when people say, Oh, the Spurs are going to the chip, why be changed? Nah, that's not that's not happening this year. So I agree with that for sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

All right.

SPEAKER_04

Perfect. Now let's move on to the FL once again.

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, so uh who do you think is the best right now in MVP?

SPEAKER_03

Well, there was a co-MVP for the Indianapolis Colts. First off, I will say Dagle Jones, because he's the quarterback, is gonna get all the hype for it. I agree with that completely. He is Shane Steiken has revitalized his career also. Damn indictment on um Anthony Richardson. Because the fact that like Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, when he was coached by Steiken, had a great year. Jalen Hurts had a great year, and now Daniel Jones, who every I mean every single person of the offseason was like, this is the worst quarterback room in the league, right? He's now leading this team to a six and one record. And everybody's like, but it's C AFC, they're winning against like teams that are bad. You play who you play. I'm seeing how this offense is looking with them. This might be the best, the best quarterback of football this year. And that's we would not say Daniel Jones was anywhere near that. So I would say for me, if I could, I'd split it between him and Jonathan Taylor, because Jonathan Taylor has been the best running back of football, just like all the big plays he's been making.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Like I would say that that would be like the co-vp. Because the Colts this year, they feel like, okay, this is a good team, but it's also like, but again, I feel like this is gonna be one of those teams where like they're gonna run up against the Chiefs. Like if the Chiefs are somehow a wildcard team, they're gonna play the Chiefs in the first round, and they might lose because of the playoff experience. That's my big concern with the Colts. But I do think because it is a regular season award, I'm going by the team that has like looked the best and performed the best versus their competition. I would have to give it to Daniel. I would say Daniel Jones is the leader for MVP. Say he is the MVP though, that hurts because I I've been slavering him, I've been talking bad about this man for years. Yeah, yeah. If anybody pulls up what I said about Daniel Jones, y'all, it's it's yeah. So I'm sorry, man. I didn't know you had this thing. You just you needed you needed coaching, so yeah, man. It's uh but yeah, really making me eat my words, man. Because I was like, I don't know what the Colts are doing. It shouldn't even be in the league, and now it's like, oh, never mind, they knew exactly what they're doing. Let's trust NFL Talent of Valley waiters and scouts, they have jobs for a reason.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Man, nah, I mean, hey, Lamar, this is all setting it up great for him. All right, you know, they got that easy schedule coming up.

SPEAKER_03

Five with that piece.

SPEAKER_01

People are not gonna be people are not gonna be uh, you know, all that high on Daniel Jones. He doesn't have the the name, brand recognition. But Lamar goes on this run, goes undefeated, and gets the Ravens into the uh playoffs, and even when that division puts up numbers, there'll be a case. And uh the Colts slide a little bit at the end. This is gonna go down to the final week. So it's not gonna be a home run. There's gonna be a lot of up and down. You've got, you know, Tampa, they had that bad loss, but Baker can continue to push them through. Mahomes is gonna start to get a whole lot of buzz now that they've got Rasheed and he's got his, you know, people and everything, he's gonna be putting up numbers. So uh, and I think the appetite would be much better for it for it to go to like a Mahomes than a Daniel Jones. I think I think the voters would like to see Daniel do it another year before they just give him MVP for kind of like an out of nowhere season. I don't know if they want to give it, you know what I mean? So I think if there's any chance to give it to anybody else, they're gonna be like, oh, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, we'll see.

SPEAKER_03

Well, to be fair, like so would you consider like Diego Jones is more so like a comeback player of the year, like a Joe Flacco situation, where it's like, okay, like you know, I came back from that situation. Okay, that would be a lot more understandable. I agree with that because yeah, because if we're looking at like well as variable player, like who was carrying his team without you know she was in your worthy, yeah. That that that dude in Kansas City, I'm sorry. He looks back to he looks back to like pre-COVID form, like Tyree Kill form. Yeah, and I am very scared, like that Chiefs documentary first when they lost to the Eagles. I was like, okay, yeah, they might run it back this year, but then like the 0-2 star, I was like, oh yeah, no, Kansas City, it might not be I am very scared of Kansas City again because again, it looks like it looks easy for him again. It doesn't look like the offense is like, you know, yes, ah that's what they were skipping, the scariest two. That's why I'm like, oh no, man. I I just whatever team in the NFC, please be ready, please be prepared because y'all are going to survive a gauntlet. Whoever makes it up the NFC, you're going to play the best teams in the league, and then you're going to have to play a team that's won three Super Bowls. Because I I really do see the Chiefs. I don't want to switch on a Super Bowl pick because if it because I do think if the Lions make it, they should be able to win, right?

SPEAKER_01

But I think the Lions are one of the only teams, probably the only team that can hang with the Chiefs, the way the Chiefs are making now. Yeah, because that's the only team that can they can hang with the channel.

SPEAKER_03

It's getting scary now because like what they did to the Raiders, like making a professional football team. You wait, they had what is it? They had more points than the Raiders had first downs. No, they had more for yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, city.

SPEAKER_04

I still think Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, he's gonna he's definitely gonna try to make a push because they've had some bad losses and they need to get it, need to kind of get it together. So you're gonna see I think you're gonna see his best over these next few weeks.

SPEAKER_03

So they have to see because all of a sudden the Patriots look like right, like yeah, all these teams, all these teams came out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_02

Amazing, definitely did.

Fantasy Football Checkin

SPEAKER_04

Like what happened?

SPEAKER_02

Definitely did.

SPEAKER_04

All right, moving on towards the end. Let's talk about fantasy, fantasy.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Derek, how you feeling, man? You starting to swing back, pick into Metcalf and Justin Jefferson. They're starting to show up for you, man. How you doing? How you doing?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you know, I'm doing all right, a little something. You know, I'm still just kind of chilling, you know. It's not playoff time yet, so you know, like I said, like I said before, wake me up in the playoffs. Yeah, you know, so you know, team is doing their thing, but not not getting too high, not getting too low, just staying, just kind of staying even kill, you know, staying under the radar, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm Jalen hurts in it, you know, right now.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, my situation, I'm three and three. I'm happy to be a three and three because I left some I left some dogs on the bench. I left Joe Flacco on the bench, and Bryce started, and then Bryce started and got hurt, and I was like, oh no, oh, it's over. I'm losing this week. I somehow won. So hey, thank goodness, but man, it was bad. And then I lost a close one like the week we were off. So yeah, that was just uh, you know, I was having I was in the three-game skin. We we got back to four, we ran it back to fourth. Now I feel like a little bit better about this thing, but yeah, yeah, Keenan Allen Devante Smith. Thank y'all so much for having the games with y'all life. Uh yeah, it got real scary because once I saw Joe Flacco at 34, I was like, uh you shouldn't do something. Right, got that like one touchdown. I was like, okay, this is enough. This is this is all I need. And I was like, I need everybody else on my team to show up, and then they did, but yeah, so I got two two things on fantasy.

SPEAKER_01

One, um, Mike Sims. We're in another league together. Okay, and it's funny because um I beat him by half a point in this other league, and it was a shootout. It was it was when he had um Trevor Lawrence in that game when Trevor scored at the end and all of that. So he had his quarterback on Monday night. And I woke up that morning and I it showed that I lost by a half a point. And so I was like, oh man, okay. And then I was setting my lineup and I was looking at the standings and I was like, I'm in first. I was like, okay, but how am I in first if I have another loss? And then I went back and looked and saw that I beat him by a half a point. So I thought I just misread it. It was like 165 and a half to 160, and I was just woke, I just woke up, so I thought I just read it wrong. So I didn't think anything of it, and I didn't even think to even talk junk to himself. I was so busy. So we were at the event this weekend, and he brought it up, right? And then he told me, he said, nah, it actually showed that he won it first, and then the corrections came in, and it's like that half of it's like those couple hours with their corrections, and it fixed it. And I ended up beating him, and all his uh, you know, folks were clowning him about it. And then and then to make it so bad, they were like, Oh, did Derek say anything to you? Is he trash talking? He was like, No, to make it so bad, he's not even saying anything. And I didn't even say anything because I didn't even know what happened, so yeah, that was that was pretty funny. Then the other thing, uh, real quick before we jump, is uh David Cook in our fantasy league. He sent me a text today. He was like, Man, we need a pick and pro, we need fantasy basketball league, right? And I was like, Man, I did I did it one time, literally 20 years ago, and and and I won actually. And then I was like, Okay, cool, done. I'm won, I'm not doing it again because it was just so intense, so many games. That's like people doing fantasy baseball. Like, okay, you just way more person than me. That's that that that that's different, right?

SPEAKER_03

That's okay. Not at all.

SPEAKER_01

When he told me, he was like, Yeah, fat fantasy basketball. I was like, huh. I was like, uh that's not a bad idea. I was like, Well, hey, I'm not. I said, I'm not gonna be commissioner. I said, Hey, get Brandon to be the commissioner. Yeah, Brandon got branding. So shout out to you, Brandon. I'm sure you're still watching, but then check this out literally, about five minutes later, I get the invite. Uh for the fantasy basketball league. So we set it up already, so I gotta go find it and everything. But he's gonna look to try to set one up.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, oh wait, too. Hey man, I'm already in four fantasy leagues for football, y'all. It's it's a lot, it's it's been a lot this year, y'all. Um I'm six and one, two and five, three and three, four and three. I'm going, there's a lot of emotions going on over here, y'all.

SPEAKER_01

So um I just had to say that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

All right. All right. Well, yeah, I know it's uh I know it was halftime of the Rockets and Thunder. Last I checked, they're probably in the third quarter now. So go and check that out and check out the Jordan interview since the NBA is on NBC now. So happy days are here again.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, they're acknowledging the goat again, you know. Derek's goat, you know. This is my goat, too. Okay. Uh free. You were waiting you're 19. How was my okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04

I watch film, I watch old videos. I know NBA is way harder than it is now. Okay, the NBA is just gonna flop and flop, and there's nothing, okay? It's nothing new.

SPEAKER_03

See, see, listen. I disagree. Like, I I understand why you have to take your do. I I begrudgingly say he's the greatest player of all time, but I just you know, there's a bunch of stuff that I also had to see, but it's like I always find it weird where it's people in our age range who say that Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player of all time, because you at least Derek, the one thing that I will say, you at least have the textbook evidence as a person who grew up in Chicago watching that that man play in the 90s. You've seen it firsthand, so you have the better firsthand account. So that's why I'll listen, I'll hear y'all out when y'all say it, but when it's like somebody bring or buy his age, I'm like, wait, we were there. Okay, I was just curious about that because I've always been like and my mom raised me right, you know what I'm you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

I watch and I still watch Michael Jordan on YouTube and everything. I like I love old uh NBA way better than yeah, we'll we'll have to do that one day.

SPEAKER_01

It's a great video out. I'll find it because I have it saved of Jordan's like all his points in in the games in uh like the late 80s or whatever, and it's crazy because and it's like just rapid fire, play after play after play. But it was literally no dribble, one dribble, two dribble pull up, like rapid fire, boom, boom. Like it wasn't all this extra motion, it was one dribble pull up, bam, one dribble pull up, bam, one dribble pull up, bam. Money, money, money, money. Oh man, yep.

SPEAKER_04

All right, old days. I wasn't even born, but good old days.

SPEAKER_03

Good old days when you weren't even on this planet, but uh you're reminiscing on Darwin's time. You know how crazy that is, right?

SPEAKER_01

All right, all right, y'all. Were you ready to get on out of here?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yes, gotta cook dinner.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yes, let's do it. Let's do it. All right, we will see y'all next time. Next week. Thanks for joining us. Till then, pick and pro.